[tex-live] [i18n-no] Fwd: [Scribus 0005322]: Hyphenation patterns distributed without license and copyright information

Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.lists at gmail.com
Mon Jan 30 23:16:53 CET 2012

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 22:31, Axel Bojer wrote:
> Similar files, both for hyphenations in Norwegian, are present both in
> http://ftp.fagskolen.gjovik.no/pub/tex-archive/language/hyphenation/nohyph/nohyphbx.tex
> and in the file
> src/spell-norwegian/ooo-hyph/README
> in the SVN at speling.org/alioth, which is down at the moment.
> ( http://alioth.debian.org/frs/?group_id=30577 )
> But the first file states:
> % Copyright (C) 2004, 2005 Rune Kleveland, Ole Michael Selberg.
> % Copying and distribution of this file, with or without modification,
> % are permitted in any medium without royalty provided the copyright
> % notice and this notice are preserved.
> and the second states:
> This are hyphenation files for OpenOffice.org made from
> Rune Klevelands nohyphbc.tex.
> Follow the instructions on the openofficepage for installation.
> Torstein Dybdahl
> torsted<at>runbox.no
> Licence is GPL.
> We are, just as you, wondering which one is the real thing, and which not.

I can almost certainly tell that the one in TeX is the original one.
(Not that I know anything about those specific patterns, but in 99%
cases that was the order.)

Please note that the patterns you are linking to (from TeX) are now
being replaced by hyph-utf8 package with patterns in UTF-8 encoding
(but the source still remains exactly the same).

However, it is quite possible that the author agreed to relicence
patterns for OpenOffice. At least that is what happened for Slovenian
patterns. I don't know if there are any less strict Norwegians out
there, but in my case I wasn't even allowed to be mentioned in the
OpenOffice hyphenation patterns (not only as author which I'm not, but
not even given the tiniest credit when I helped getting rid of the
bug) without signing some legal papers first.

I would only like to make you aware of some tiny detail. Hyphenation
patterns from TeX may not work 100% correct in OpenOffice. (Patterns
from OpenOffice always work in TeX, but the reverse may not be true.)
One needs to run a special script from OOo (substrings.pl) that
"compresses" patterns in some way to make sure that all hyphenation
points remain interpreted correctly.


> Or perhaps they *do* have different license, as they *are* a bit
> different, and Kleveland has worked on both projects, and may have
> released similar works under two different licences?
> Do you have any ideas or suggestions? If not, we will explore into it by
> hearing from other people etc in the hope of getting a definite answer.

You might need to ask other people to get definite answers. In
particular, you might need a confirmation of whether or not patterns
have been explicitely relicenced for OOo.

Of course you can always use original patterns from TeX, but from what
others say, LPPL might not be compatible with some other free licences
out there (which might also be the reason why OOo people relicenced


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